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		<title>Comment on End of Semester by Santiago Hollmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Santiago Hollmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi david, what you and your students have done is wonderful!!!

Iwould love to see your course program, how you implement it and some tips and tricks. I strongly think it would motivate more than one professor all over the world.

Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi david, what you and your students have done is wonderful!!!</p>
<p>Iwould love to see your course program, how you implement it and some tips and tricks. I strongly think it would motivate more than one professor all over the world.</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>Comment on End of Semester by David Humphrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Humphrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@shaver

Love the story, thanks for sharing it.  I can&#039;t help you with feeling like you&#039;re getting old, though.  It was 2005 when we started, and I&#039;ll let you do the math :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shaver</p>
<p>Love the story, thanks for sharing it.  I can&#8217;t help you with feeling like you&#8217;re getting old, though.  It was 2005 when we started, and I&#8217;ll let you do the math <img src='http://vocamus.net/dave/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on End of Semester by Mike Shaver</title>
		<link>http://vocamus.net/dave/?p=1478&#038;cpage=1#comment-141983</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Shaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call shenanigans on &quot;7th year&quot;!

As regards measuring fixes by LOC, I tell this story to a lot of people:

On his 65th birthday, an engineer retires from the company he&#039;s worked at his whole life. He&#039;s looking forward to doing anything but banging on widgets, and sets in for an enjoyable three decades of golf and large-print Grisham novels.

After about 6 months, though, he gets a panicked phone call from his old boss. &quot;Engineer Guy,&quot; his boss says, &quot;we have a serious problem, and really need your help. Could you come in and talk?&quot;  Engineer Guy grudgingly agrees, because it&#039;s raining and he&#039;s out of Grisham.

Turns out that they have had a widget injection matrix go haywire, and the whole production line has been shut down for a week. They&#039;ve tried everything, but can&#039;t figure it out, and the company is going to fold if they can&#039;t get things started back up soon. Former Boss says that EG can name his price, and EG agrees to take a look -- again grudgingly, but he does have his pension to think about.

EG asks for a piece of chalk, and walks around poking at things for a little while. Everyone is holding their breath and waiting for his verdict. Finally, he makes a mark on part of the injector matrix and says &quot;replace this and it should be fine&quot;. Sure enough, the machine chugs back to life and the company is saved.

A few weeks later, he gets another call from FB. &quot;Hey, EG, just got your bill. We&#039;re really grateful for your help, but don&#039;t you think $50K is a little much for one chalk mark?&quot; &quot;Oh, absolutely. The chalk mark is $5. The rest is for knowing where to put it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call shenanigans on &#8220;7th year&#8221;!</p>
<p>As regards measuring fixes by LOC, I tell this story to a lot of people:</p>
<p>On his 65th birthday, an engineer retires from the company he&#8217;s worked at his whole life. He&#8217;s looking forward to doing anything but banging on widgets, and sets in for an enjoyable three decades of golf and large-print Grisham novels.</p>
<p>After about 6 months, though, he gets a panicked phone call from his old boss. &#8220;Engineer Guy,&#8221; his boss says, &#8220;we have a serious problem, and really need your help. Could you come in and talk?&#8221;  Engineer Guy grudgingly agrees, because it&#8217;s raining and he&#8217;s out of Grisham.</p>
<p>Turns out that they have had a widget injection matrix go haywire, and the whole production line has been shut down for a week. They&#8217;ve tried everything, but can&#8217;t figure it out, and the company is going to fold if they can&#8217;t get things started back up soon. Former Boss says that EG can name his price, and EG agrees to take a look &#8212; again grudgingly, but he does have his pension to think about.</p>
<p>EG asks for a piece of chalk, and walks around poking at things for a little while. Everyone is holding their breath and waiting for his verdict. Finally, he makes a mark on part of the injector matrix and says &#8220;replace this and it should be fine&#8221;. Sure enough, the machine chugs back to life and the company is saved.</p>
<p>A few weeks later, he gets another call from FB. &#8220;Hey, EG, just got your bill. We&#8217;re really grateful for your help, but don&#8217;t you think $50K is a little much for one chalk mark?&#8221; &#8220;Oh, absolutely. The chalk mark is $5. The rest is for knowing where to put it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on End of Semester by Chris Pearce</title>
		<link>http://vocamus.net/dave/?p=1478&#038;cpage=1#comment-141886</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 00:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for running these courses Dave! It was great having your students help out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for running these courses Dave! It was great having your students help out!</p>
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		<title>Comment on End of Semester by David Bolter</title>
		<link>http://vocamus.net/dave/?p=1478&#038;cpage=1#comment-141844</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bolter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was very uplifting to read and I&#039;m thrilled we&#039;re improving as a welcoming community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was very uplifting to read and I&#8217;m thrilled we&#8217;re improving as a welcoming community.</p>
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		<title>Comment on End of Semester by Stephan Sokolow</title>
		<link>http://vocamus.net/dave/?p=1478&#038;cpage=1#comment-141813</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan Sokolow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@njn: Thanks. I spent too much time programming and reading, so I&#039;m currently working hard to catch up on my French course right now, but maybe I&#039;ll take a look through the various bugs I&#039;ve voted on when summer vacation rolls around. (Assuming one of my own half-finished programming projects doesn&#039;t distract me first.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@njn: Thanks. I spent too much time programming and reading, so I&#8217;m currently working hard to catch up on my French course right now, but maybe I&#8217;ll take a look through the various bugs I&#8217;ve voted on when summer vacation rolls around. (Assuming one of my own half-finished programming projects doesn&#8217;t distract me first.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on End of Semester by Steve Klebanoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Klebanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many professors encourage contributing to open source, yet I&#039;ve never seen it actually be implemented in the class before.  I&#039;m psyched you created this course, and hope others will follow.  What an excellent way to have students gain experience and understanding of a large software project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many professors encourage contributing to open source, yet I&#8217;ve never seen it actually be implemented in the class before.  I&#8217;m psyched you created this course, and hope others will follow.  What an excellent way to have students gain experience and understanding of a large software project.</p>
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		<title>Comment on End of Semester by njn</title>
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		<dc:creator>njn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephan: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Introduction is the place to start.

People really won&#039;t mind if you ask basic questions.  Jump on #developers or another IRC channel.  You really will struggle to make any kind of progress without asking questions on IRC.  I ask &quot;dumb&quot; question on IRC all the time and I&#039;ve been a Mozilla employee for over 3 years :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephan: <a href="https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Introduction" rel="nofollow">https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Introduction</a> is the place to start.</p>
<p>People really won&#8217;t mind if you ask basic questions.  Jump on #developers or another IRC channel.  You really will struggle to make any kind of progress without asking questions on IRC.  I ask &#8220;dumb&#8221; question on IRC all the time and I&#8217;ve been a Mozilla employee for over 3 years <img src='http://vocamus.net/dave/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on End of Semester by Stephan Sokolow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephan Sokolow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kevin: Glad to see that it&#039;s being worked on.

The main problem isn&#039;t so much about asking where the docs are, but about knowing &lt;em&gt;who&lt;/em&gt; to ask and worrying about getting stuck half-way to my goal and not knowing how much initiative to take before concluding I need help.

(I&#039;ve got so many projects of my own and so little time not spent either working or procrastinating that I really don&#039;t want to risk blowing away a week or two and then having nothing worthwhile to show for it and no idea where to go from there.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin: Glad to see that it&#8217;s being worked on.</p>
<p>The main problem isn&#8217;t so much about asking where the docs are, but about knowing <em>who</em> to ask and worrying about getting stuck half-way to my goal and not knowing how much initiative to take before concluding I need help.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ve got so many projects of my own and so little time not spent either working or procrastinating that I really don&#8217;t want to risk blowing away a week or two and then having nothing worthwhile to show for it and no idea where to go from there.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on End of Semester by Kevin Dangoor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Dangoor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David: I think it&#039;s fantastic that you&#039;ve introduced so many into the Mozilla community! Thanks for that and for the detailed rundown of many things that someone new to Firefox will encounter.

Stephan: I don&#039;t thinkany question, including &quot;where are the getting started docs?&quot; is unreasonable. In fact, just the other day I pointed out that on the front page of MDN is an image that says &quot;Firefox for devs&quot;. But tha page doesn&#039;t tell you how to build Firefox or even use Firefox&#039;s web developer tools! Short of plugging the right phrase into Google or getting the link from someone, it&#039;s not surprising that you didn&#039;t encounter the docs!

There are people working on making it easier to get involved, but any question is really fair game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: I think it&#8217;s fantastic that you&#8217;ve introduced so many into the Mozilla community! Thanks for that and for the detailed rundown of many things that someone new to Firefox will encounter.</p>
<p>Stephan: I don&#8217;t thinkany question, including &#8220;where are the getting started docs?&#8221; is unreasonable. In fact, just the other day I pointed out that on the front page of MDN is an image that says &#8220;Firefox for devs&#8221;. But tha page doesn&#8217;t tell you how to build Firefox or even use Firefox&#8217;s web developer tools! Short of plugging the right phrase into Google or getting the link from someone, it&#8217;s not surprising that you didn&#8217;t encounter the docs!</p>
<p>There are people working on making it easier to get involved, but any question is really fair game.</p>
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