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		<title>By: Things then and now</title>
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		<dc:creator>Things then and now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wrote a letter to my grandmother a little while ago.  I was partly reminded of the need for such writing by Luke, but also I had wanted to connect some of my current work with my past.  Yesterday my grandmother [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wrote a letter to my grandmother a little while ago.  I was partly reminded of the need for such writing by Luke, but also I had wanted to connect some of my current work with my past.  Yesterday my grandmother [...]</p>
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		<title>By: From Word To Word &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Les Bravades</title>
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		<dc:creator>From Word To Word &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Les Bravades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] unique and beautiful about them, perhaps just for this reason.  They are, in many respects, just the kind of personal and amateur art that I have elsewhere argued should be encouraged as a way of m..., and I enjoyed this aspect of them very [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] unique and beautiful about them, perhaps just for this reason.  They are, in many respects, just the kind of personal and amateur art that I have elsewhere argued should be encouraged as a way of m&#8230;, and I enjoyed this aspect of them very [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jeremylukehill</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremylukehill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blaise,

Yes, I agree. I certainly do not have a voice that warrants a recording contract, but I sing nevertheless, in choirs (over the years), or at church, or around the house with my children (they are currently listening to Bob Dylan), or with my wife at the piano.  This kind of social expression of creativity is difficult for many people, however, because they have been taught to believe that only the recording contract verifies a singer.  We need to teach people that other ways are possible.

I come from a family of five, three of whom have gone on to do music in a semi-professional way, and all of whom continue to share music as a family, but this social expression of music is something that was taught to us.  My parents used to dress us up in matching outfits and have us sing at family reunions and church events.  I was often embarrassed by this, particularly as a young teen, but what I learned was valuable: to share our creativity with one another is a gift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blaise,</p>
<p>Yes, I agree. I certainly do not have a voice that warrants a recording contract, but I sing nevertheless, in choirs (over the years), or at church, or around the house with my children (they are currently listening to Bob Dylan), or with my wife at the piano.  This kind of social expression of creativity is difficult for many people, however, because they have been taught to believe that only the recording contract verifies a singer.  We need to teach people that other ways are possible.</p>
<p>I come from a family of five, three of whom have gone on to do music in a semi-professional way, and all of whom continue to share music as a family, but this social expression of music is something that was taught to us.  My parents used to dress us up in matching outfits and have us sing at family reunions and church events.  I was often embarrassed by this, particularly as a young teen, but what I learned was valuable: to share our creativity with one another is a gift.</p>
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		<title>By: Blaise Alleyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blaise Alleyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely. And not just with writing, but other forms of art too.

Music comes to mind for me. In our culture, we have musicians, singers, dancers... When someone says that they &quot;can&#039;t sing,&quot; it always frustrates me a little. Culture doesn&#039;t have to be &lt;em&gt;performance&lt;/em&gt;&#8212;creativity, at its heart, is a &lt;em&gt;social&lt;/em&gt; act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely. And not just with writing, but other forms of art too.</p>
<p>Music comes to mind for me. In our culture, we have musicians, singers, dancers&#8230; When someone says that they &#8220;can&#8217;t sing,&#8221; it always frustrates me a little. Culture doesn&#8217;t have to be <em>performance</em>&mdash;creativity, at its heart, is a <em>social</em> act.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Healy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I would like to point out that your analogy is flawed. A raging forest fire is too overwhelming to get close to, nor is it something you can harness or fight if either of those two options presented themselves a necessary. What Luke is talking about analogous wise is more of a strictly personal flame, which you may cup your hand around for your relief, or lend to another for theirs. I do believe what he is talking about is the difference between your hearth at home, and the public bonfire you might use at a festival. And I do believe he is lamenting the fact that in our society, unless it is going to be added to the inferno, or be part of the bonfire, no one really considers burning things at home for their own simple warmth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I would like to point out that your analogy is flawed. A raging forest fire is too overwhelming to get close to, nor is it something you can harness or fight if either of those two options presented themselves a necessary. What Luke is talking about analogous wise is more of a strictly personal flame, which you may cup your hand around for your relief, or lend to another for theirs. I do believe what he is talking about is the difference between your hearth at home, and the public bonfire you might use at a festival. And I do believe he is lamenting the fact that in our society, unless it is going to be added to the inferno, or be part of the bonfire, no one really considers burning things at home for their own simple warmth.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremylukehill</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremylukehill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, 

I agree with you that the internet has made possible more and better writing than there has been at any previous point in history, and part of what I love about the net is that it allows this production apart from a strict adherence to the criteria of a publishing industry.  I would suggest, however, that writing for the net remains a writing for publication in several crucial ways.  Though it can sometimes be an amateur writing,and though its professional writing, when at its best, approaches an amateur writing very closely, it is not exactly the kind of writing that I am advocating here.  I am advocating for a kind of writing that never actually appears at all beyond the relationship that fosters it.  I am advocating for a writing that is strictly amateur, in that it is strictly motivated by love for the one who receives it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, </p>
<p>I agree with you that the internet has made possible more and better writing than there has been at any previous point in history, and part of what I love about the net is that it allows this production apart from a strict adherence to the criteria of a publishing industry.  I would suggest, however, that writing for the net remains a writing for publication in several crucial ways.  Though it can sometimes be an amateur writing,and though its professional writing, when at its best, approaches an amateur writing very closely, it is not exactly the kind of writing that I am advocating here.  I am advocating for a kind of writing that never actually appears at all beyond the relationship that fosters it.  I am advocating for a writing that is strictly amateur, in that it is strictly motivated by love for the one who receives it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hoye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Hoye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As with so much else in our culture, we have come to believe that writing is best left to the experts, to those with the credentials or the publications that certify them as real writers, and our choice has become either to acquire these credentials and these publications so that we too can be real writers or to stop writing altogether.&lt;/i&gt;

Unfortunately, the only response I have to this is: who do you think constitutes &quot;we&quot;? 

More and better writing is being produced now, today, by more people than has ever been produced before, at any time in the history of civilization, ever. NaNoWriMo. Blogs. Zines, fan fiction, you name it, the quantity of it is staggering. 

Putting a manifesto like this on the internet, of all places, gives the impression of a man caught in the middle of a towering forest fire, looking for a light for his cigarette.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As with so much else in our culture, we have come to believe that writing is best left to the experts, to those with the credentials or the publications that certify them as real writers, and our choice has become either to acquire these credentials and these publications so that we too can be real writers or to stop writing altogether.</i></p>
<p>Unfortunately, the only response I have to this is: who do you think constitutes &#8220;we&#8221;? </p>
<p>More and better writing is being produced now, today, by more people than has ever been produced before, at any time in the history of civilization, ever. NaNoWriMo. Blogs. Zines, fan fiction, you name it, the quantity of it is staggering. </p>
<p>Putting a manifesto like this on the internet, of all places, gives the impression of a man caught in the middle of a towering forest fire, looking for a light for his cigarette.</p>
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